diff --git a/net.Linux/pump.sh b/net.Linux/pump.sh
index fd57fcda..f76cfcda 100644
--- a/net.Linux/pump.sh
+++ b/net.Linux/pump.sh
@@ -12,8 +12,6 @@ _config_vars="$_config_vars dhcp pump"
 pump_start() {
 	local args= opt= opts=
 
-	_wait_for_carrier || return 1
-
 	# Get our options
 	eval opts=\$dhcp_${IFVAR}
 	[ -z "${opts}" ] && opts=${dhcp}
diff --git a/net.Linux/udhcpc.sh b/net.Linux/udhcpc.sh
index e59d0049..047ab727 100644
--- a/net.Linux/udhcpc.sh
+++ b/net.Linux/udhcpc.sh
@@ -13,8 +13,6 @@ udhcpc_start() {
 	local args= opt= opts= pidfile="/var/run/udhcpc-${IFACE}.pid"
 	local sendhost=true cachefile="/var/cache/udhcpc-${IFACE}.lease"
 
-	_wait_for_carrier || return 1
-
 	eval args=\$udhcpc_${IFVAR}
 
 	# Get our options
diff --git a/net/dhclient.sh b/net/dhclient.sh
index 14838d00..dc013379 100644
--- a/net/dhclient.sh
+++ b/net/dhclient.sh
@@ -13,8 +13,6 @@ dhclient_start() {
 	local args= opt= opts= pidfile="/var/run/dhclient-${IFACE}.pid"
 	local sendhost=true dconf=
 
-	_wait_for_carrier || return 1
-
 	# Get our options
 	eval opts=\$dhcp_${IFVAR}
 	[ -z "${opts}" ] && opts=${dhcp}
diff --git a/net/dhcpcd.sh b/net/dhcpcd.sh
index f90f3336..f8e81f98 100644
--- a/net/dhcpcd.sh
+++ b/net/dhcpcd.sh
@@ -15,8 +15,6 @@ _config_vars="$_config_vars dhcp dhcpcd"
 dhcpcd_start() {
 	local args= opt= opts= pidfile="/var/run/dhcpcd-${IFACE}.pid"
 
-	_wait_for_carrier || return 1
-
 	eval args=\$dhcpcd_${IFVAR}
 
 	# Get our options
diff --git a/sh/net.sh b/sh/net.sh
index 22c22150..3f62105b 100755
--- a/sh/net.sh
+++ b/sh/net.sh
@@ -68,13 +68,15 @@ _wait_for_carrier() {
 		sleep 1
 		if _has_carrier ; then
 	    	[ -z "${RC_EBUFFER}" ] && echo
+			eend 0
 	    	return 0
 		fi
 		timeout=$((${timeout} - 1))
-		[ -z "${RC_EBUFFER}" ] && echo -n "."
+		[ -z "${RC_EBUFFER}" ] && printf "."
     done
 
-    echo
+    [ -z "${RC_EBUFFER}" ] && echo
+	eend 1
     return 1
 }
 
@@ -392,6 +394,16 @@ start() {
 		fi
     done
 
+	if ! _wait_for_carrier ; then
+		if service_started devd ; then
+			ewarn "no carrier, but devd will start us when we have one"
+			mark_service_inactive "${SVCNAME}"
+		else
+			eerror "no carrier"
+		fi
+		return 1
+	fi
+
     local config= config_index=
     _load_config
 	config_index=0
diff --git a/src/rc.h b/src/rc.h
index e86531c9..b6c8cdb1 100644
--- a/src/rc.h
+++ b/src/rc.h
@@ -135,10 +135,11 @@ void rc_free_deptree (rc_depinfo_t *deptree);
 typedef enum
 {
   rc_hook_runlevel_stop_in = 1,
-  rc_hook_runlevel_stop_out,
-  rc_hook_runlevel_start_in,
-  rc_hook_runlevel_start_out,
-  rc_hook_service_stop_in,
+  rc_hook_runlevel_stop_out = 4,
+  rc_hook_runlevel_start_in = 5,
+  rc_hook_runlevel_start_out = 8,
+  /* We reserved a few numbers if we need rc_runlevel_stop_now and done */
+  rc_hook_service_stop_in = 101,
   rc_hook_service_stop_now,
   rc_hook_service_stop_done,
   rc_hook_service_stop_out,